Are Oil Filter Suppressors a Good Idea?
You’ve probably seen oil filter suppressors in movies or TV shows and wondered if they really work. Hollywood magic can make anything possible on the silver screen, but real-world applications are often far different.
We’ll take a look at the similarities and differences between oil filters and suppressors and give you the necessary information for you to make the decision of whether or not you should turn an oil filter into a suppressor.
It’s important to note, however, that an oil filter suppressor is still subject to the NFA. You absolutely must complete an ATF Form 1 and have the approved form in your possession before you actually turn an oil filter into a suppressor. Failure to do so is a felony.
Oil Filter Anatomy
The internal cavity of an oil filter is filled with materials that are corrugated and/or porous so that the oil can be, well, filtered. You might posit that this material could allow for the necessary gas expansion required to reduce the report of a gunshot. In the most basic of explanations, that’s really all a suppressor is.
If you looked at a cutaway of an oil filter and a suppressor side by side through Mr. Magoo’s eyes (that is to say that everything is really blurry and out of FOCUS), then you could reasonably conclude that they’re the same thing. A suppressor’s baffles provide the necessary gas expansion required to reduce the report of a gunshot.
Apples to Oranges Comparison
Of course, once you put on glasses or pop in some contacts, the full picture becomes much clearer and you realize that there’s a lot more to it than that. Aside from both products allowing for gas expansion, they’re worlds apart and wildly different.
Oil filters are suppressors in the same way that sitting on the front of an ATV with a hand scythe while your friend drives you around the lawn would technically meet the requirements for being a riding lawnmower. Are you riding around while mowing the lawn? Technically, yes, but it’s not really a riding lawnmower. Are you suppressing gunshots with an oil filter? Again, technically yes, but it’s not really a suppressor.
Is It a Good Idea?
OK, so we’ve answered whether or not you actually can make an oil filter suppressor and the answer is yes. However, the better question to ask is if turning an oil filter into a suppressor is a good idea. In short, the answer is no, and here are some reasons why:
Oil filters aren’t designed to deal with the intense heat and pressure of gunfire. Some people have experienced oil filter suppressors that catch on fire after extended use. Others have seen them completely break apart when used on centerfire rifles. Actual suppressors are built from various types of metal that are durable enough to handle gunfire and last for tens or hundreds of thousands of rounds with proper maintenance.
Suppressors are not inexpensive, especially when you consider that you could buy an adapter and 50 or more oil filters for what one suppressor costs. Unfortunately, that doesn’t take into consideration the 200 tax stamp that you have to have in order to legally turn an oil filter into a suppressor. Now you’ve got a very expensive oil filter that isn’t built to handle gunfire and won’t last very long.
An oil filter suppressor has a very limited lifespan. Assuming you only use rimfire or pistol calibers, you might be lucky enough to get a couple of full range sessions out of it before the oil filter is no good anymore. You can expect a real suppressor to easily outlive its original owner so long as it isn’t subjected to abnormal use. The internal parts of an oil filter cannot be replaced, so every time you wear out an oil filter suppressor, you’ll have to go through the entire Form 1 registration process and pay for another 200 tax stamp.
Who Should Make an Oil Filter Suppressor?
Now that we’ve established that it isn’t really a good idea to make an oil filter suppressor, there are still some people who will want to do it anyway. Given the cost and limitations of these makeshift suppressors, there are really only two types of people who should make one.
The first is the type of person who doesn’t care that it’s going to be a waste of time and money. They don’t mind that an oil filter suppressor is going to wear out quickly and that it will be a costly endeavor to make another one.
The second is the type of person who just has to have something unique. They understand the limitations of an oil filter suppressor and may not fire more than a few rounds through it – if any at all. They just want to have an unusual item in their collection simply for the sake of having it.
There’s nothing wrong with being one of those types of people so long as you understand the limitations of what you’re spending your money on ahead of time.
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Guide to Exhaust Silencers Noise Reduction
The sound of a DFV at full chat on open pipes is pure music to any motorsport fan, unfortunately, Mr Busybody from Notinmybackyardington is not always inclined to agree. Continue reading for everything you need to know on exhaust silencers and noise reduction at circuits.
Most circuits have noise limits in place to try to keep everyone happy. Motorsport exhausts are primarily designed for maximum performance but often do not have enough silencing to meet increasingly stringent noise levels. Current noise levels are below, however these should be checked as they can be subject to change, some classic racers are exempt on some meetings:
|Circuit||Static (dB)||Drive-by (dB)|
|Anglesey||105 (95 on quiet days)||101 (77 on quiet days)|
|Brands Hatch||105 (evenings 102)||92|
|Croft||105 (88 on quiet days)||70 (average over an hour)|
|Goodwood||105 (98 with 9 cars)||101 (96 with 9 cars)|
|Snetterton||105 (102 evenings)||N/A|
Rallying noise levels are 98 dB except stage rallying which is 100db.
Exhaust noise measurement
The definition of the decibel is based on the measurement of power in telephony of the early 20th century in the Bell System in the US. One decibel is one tenth (Deci-) of one bel, named in honour of Alexander Graham Bell. However, the bel is seldom used. Today, the decibel is used for a wide variety of measurements in science and engineering.
On the decibel scale, the smallest audible sound (near total silence) is 0 db. A sound 10 times more powerful is 10 dB. A sound 100 times more powerful than near total silence is 20 dB. A sound 1,000 times more powerful than near total silence is 30 dB. To put all of that into some context, here are some common sounds and their decibel ratings:
Normal conversation – 60 dB
A petrol lawnmower – 90 dB
A rock concert or a jet engine – 120 dB
A gunshot or firework – 140 dB
Distance affects the intensity of sound so if you are far away, the power is greatly diminished. All the ratings above are taken near the sound.
Any sound above 85 dB can cause hearing loss, and the loss is related both to the power of the sound as well as the length of exposure. Eight hours of 90-dB sound can cause damage to your ears; any exposure to 140-dB sound causes immediate damage (and causes actual pain). The use of ear protection inside the car and the pit lane is highly recommended.
A sound meter is a valuable addition to the race kit, it will allow the cars noise level to be checked before arriving at the track, and useful for pitlane use to check if ear protection is advisable. Care should be taken to read the instructions and measure in the same manner as used at the track.
Motorsport noise is checked using the following method, measurements will be made at 0.5m from the end of the exhaust pipe with the microphone at an angle of 45° with the exhaust outlet and at a height of 0.5 to 1.0m above the ground.
Where more than one exhaust outlet is present, the test will be repeated for each exhaust and the highest reading will be used. In circumstances where the exhaust outlet is not immediately accessible, the test may be conducted at 2.0m from the centre line of the vehicle at 90° to the centre line of the vehicle, with the microphone 1.2m above the ground.
Common exhaust silencing problems
An exhaust system may not give the required silencing for any or a combination of the following reasons:
- Inadequate silencing in the system. A car up to 2 litres may comply with noise regs with one silencer but any larger engine will generally require at least two (or more in some cases especially cars with two separate systems such as V6 / V8)
- Silencer packing burnt away or deteriorated through age (also reduces exhaust flow)
- Silencer internals / baffles corroded or missing
- Silencer poor quality and resonating due to thin wall construction.
- System too short for enough silencing (mid and rear engine cars).
- Poor mounting allow contact with body or frame.
Choosing an exhaust silencer
Racing and performance silencers are predominately the straight through or absorption type. The sound energy is reduced by deadening material (such as fibreglass, ceramic wool, or stainless wools) wrapped around a perforated tube through the centre of the silencer. This gives the best possible flow with very little back pressure. A straight through silencer with good packing will flow almost as well a plain pipe of the same size, and this will decrease as the packing burns away as the gases will be able to flow into the holes left behind. This packing needs to be maintained if repackable or the silencer replaced if sealed.
Road car or some tuner boxes are resonated where the gases pass through chambers in the silencer typically 2 or 3 linked by pipes. This is more effective at silencing but not so good for exhaust flow. The other type is diffuser type where the gases exit around discs at the end of the exhaust. This flows well and can be tuned for different noise levels and flow. These are very short so great where space is at premium such as rear-engine cars.
The following criteria will need to be checked for selecting the correct silencer:
Aftermarket silencers normally fit over the outside of the pipe they are being fitted to, so the outside diameter of the existing pipe will need checking. If replacing an existing box, then the internal diameter of the silencer needs to match the new unit. If the bore size is between common sizes stepped sleeves or reducers are available. Common bore sizes are 1.75” (45mm) 2” (50.8mm) 2.25” (57mm) 2.5” (63.5mm) 3” (76mm) and 4” (101.6mm).
The larger the diameter the greater the packing the better the silencing. A round section silencer will have more packing around the circumference of the pipe, but this can be restricted by the space available. If ground clearance is an issue an oval silencer will give plenty of packing either side but fit closer to the body or chassis. The longer the silencer the more noise reduction will be achieved, space again might be the limiting factor. Some silencers are available with two pipes in and out which can save room and weight on cars with V or boxer engines that have two separate systems.
A silencer that is offset or angled can often be replicated by using angled exhaust bends either end.
Steel is popular for competition exhausts being generally thicker to counter corrosion so does not resonant like stainless steel which is normally thinner wall. Steel is less likely to fracture or crack in applications subject to a lot of movement or vibration. Stainless is normally lighter due to the thinner wall as it does not corrode but is very beneficial if the car is stood for long periods. Some top end tuner exhaust systems can be titanium, this is rarely used on aftermarket standalone silencers. However, motorcycle end cans are sometimes used on some open wheel cars, popular for instance on bike engine autograss cars. These can be constructed in titanium, carbon, alloy, or stainless steel.
Types of exhaust silencers
There are several different types of exhaust silencers to consider, each offering something different in terms of its construction, fitment and performance:
One-piece exhaust silencers
Welded construction and will clamp or weld in place. The internal pipework is permanently fixed in place, once the packing has deteriorated it will need replacing. Generally lighter and stronger than repackable silencers. Straight through / absorption type. Jetex and Custom Chrome both offer a good selection.
Repackable exhaust silencers
As the name suggest can be taken apart to repack the sound deadening material. This allows the flow and noise reduction to be optimised. Straight through / absorption type and as above will clamp or weld in place. Custom Chrome offer repackable silencers.
Diffuser exhaust silencers
These reduce noise by covering the end of the tailpipe with a series of discs that allow the gases to exit radially. The number of discs can be varied to fine tune the flow and noise reduction. The full number of discs will equal or exceed the surface area of the pipe exit and will give the most flow but the least noise reduction. Removing the discs will reduce the exit surface area so give less flow but more noise reduction. (A good analogy is to think of a cone facing the exhaust exit holding it further away will allow the flow of gases and makes little or no difference to the noise, while bringing it much closer will reduce the flow of gases and noise.)
This allows the exhaust to be altered to match noise levels and being very compact / short is very useful on rear or mid-engine cars. The diffuser silencers are sold as disc only types or combined with a straight through / absorption silencer for extra silencing. These can be weld on or clamp on type. The weld on type can be used be welded to appropriate connectors to allow clamping if required. Supertrapp offer both types.
Temporary baffles / inserts
An exhaust that is close to the noise limit can be reduced by fitting inserts in the tailpipe provided it is straight for enough length for the insert to fit inside / outside. Jetex and Decibel Slayer are the two brands available.
Some useful tips
Angling the tailpipe towards the ground can deflect and absorb some of the sound energy
Check the system is not too solidly or to loosely mounted, the exhaust will last longer, and unwanted resonating will be reduced or eliminated. Flexible couplings can help allow movement.
If the noise level is very high in the cockpit heat / sound insulation used under the car will reduce driver fatigue and reduce the chance of hearing damage.
Tapping or shaking the silencer will often reveal loose or damaged internals
Joints should have a good seal and be tight, loose joints will allow air and cause popping and banging adding to the noise level. Partially blocking the tailpipe at tick over can quickly reveal any leaks.
Short exhausts on rear engine cars where there is little room for silencers can be quietened by adding bends to reduce the sound energy and increase the length (a popular fitment is to take the box across the rear of the car) Diffuser silencers are particularly useful in these applications.
There you have it, now you have everything you need to know regarding exhaust silencers and noise reduction on a circuit!
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Noise suppressors on firearms
I’ve been hearing from people asking me to legalize gun silencers. It’s not something I want to do.
Over the past week, I’ve gotten approximately 1200 emails (mostly from outside my district) along the following lines:
Oil Filter Suppressor (DO NOT TRY THIS YOURSELF! WE ARE LICENSED!)
As a law-abiding Second Amendment supporter in Massachusetts, I urge you to please support both H.763 and H.789.
H.763 and H.789 are similar bills which would legalize firearm suppressor possession in the Bay State. Both H.763 and H.789 would repeal the current prohibition for the use and possession of firearm suppressors and replace the removed section with a provision that would allow the possession of these devices by law-abiding citizens.
Once again, as your constituent, I urge you to please support H.763 and H.789. Thank you.
After hearing on the issue, I have responded as follows:
Thanks for writing about the suppressor legislation.
I have received over 1000 emails on the subject and yesterday, I listened carefully to lengthy testimony on this issue from both proponents and opponents.
I am pretty convinced at this stage that I should not support this legislation.
Urban law enforcement personnel are firmly opposed — making gunshots quieter makes them harder to detect. We heard testimony that shot detectors can detect suppressed shots, but I did not find that testimony credible. The suppressors have to reduce the range and sensitivity of detectors, even if they do not prevent detection of nearby shots. Even if the shot detectors do not degrade, the detector that most people use, the ear, certainly will be less able to detect shots from a distance.
I know that lawful gun users are mostly not the ones committing crime. But, we have a huge struggle on our hands to contain urban violence and we do not want to bring more suppressors into circulation in our state.
I understand the benefits for shooters in terms of hearing loss. Shooters should wear hearing protection and they have many good options for that.
I sympathize with hunters, who naturally do want to hear everything around them. But, at least in our state, that concern does not outweigh the higher concern about urban violence.
House 763 and House 789 would both repeal G.L., s.10A. That section has been on the books in Massachusetts since 1926.
To me, it is common sense that making guns quieter will make it easier to get away with murder. Granted that legal gun owners are not the ones most likely to commit crime, but why would we want to put more of the devices into circulation in Massachusetts? There is always a risk of diversion.
Response to Комментарии и мнения владельцев, October 13, 10:30PM
Thanks to all who have weighed in here. And kudos to Mr. Carson for his very thoughtful Комментарии и мнения владельцев in a separate post.
I just want to respond to one comment that often gets repeated: Suppressors are not silencers. Guns are still very loud with suppressors attached. Got it. But there certainly could be cases where being somewhat less loud would allow a shooting to continue for longer before it was detected (from a distance or through walls).
I also understand that suppressors do have real health benefits — so we are balancing speculative public safety benefits against clear shooter health benefits. But at least for now, I’m coming down on the side of broader public risk reduction.
I also understand that suppressors are hard to get, but that doesn’t mean that someone in a licensed person’s household won’t get them indirectly as in Sandy Hook. Likely? Maybe not, but it only takes one to do a lot of damage.
I’m closing this thread to comment, but if you can always reach me at firstname.lastname@example.org.
Published by Will Brownsberger
Will Brownsberger is State Senator from the Second Suffolk and Middlesex District. View more posts
6 replies on “Noise suppressors on firearms”
I do NOT support H.763 and H.789 legalizing firearm suppressor possession in MA. The law banning suppressors is a common sense gun law that contributes to making our community safer. Why any caring MA citizen would think otherwise is completely selfish and irresponsible. Please do NOT support this bill. Thank you.
I absolutely oppose legalizing silencers for guns in Massachusetts. We should know when firearms are being used in our vicinity, whether we’re in an urban area or a rural one. The sound a firearm makes when it is being used is an important signal to take cover or use extreme caution. We need that information as a public safety matter.
Will, I’m absolutely with you on this. Silencers would only make a violent world more dangerous. Sandra Rosenblum
I am newly-informed that hunters may be subject to hearing loss, but can’t summon any sympathy; at least, not enough to think noise suppressors should be legalized. i applaud your caution, as we live in a violent society and I’m loathe to make it easier to kill anyone. Legal guns and other weapons easily end up in illegal, ill-intentioned hands. A shooter in a dark movie theater could kill a dozen people before anyone notices. A murderer could quietly walk away. I’m not willing to risk either. I’ll gladly donate to keep angry gun owners in the minority. Thank you,
Dear Senator: Thank you thank you thank you for a voice of reason and rationality. There is absolutely no credible reason for law-abiding citizens to support or need or countenance or suggest that it is a 2nd Amendment RIGHT to silence the sound of a gun. You are absolutely correct that a silencer’s main and singular purpose is to make murder easier to get away with, and to turn to the 2nd Amendment as grounds to argue otherwise is to pervert the meaning and purpose of our Constitutional right to bear arms. I wholly and utterly oppose House 763 and House 789 and respect and thank you, Senator, for doing the same. Allow me to add that I think it is ridiculous that either bill has been introduced and that you and the legislature as a whole have had to spend any time thinking about this ludicrous proposal.
Can’t believe the legislature must waste valuable time with this bill. It’s a no brainer; you are absolutely correct that silencers give criminals an advantage. If hunters want less noise, use bows and arrows.
No gun silencers. I cannot even believe Massachusetts legislators would be considering such a backwards measure. This is another instance of the pro-gun violence lobby rearing its ugly head. Please stand firm and vote no.
I am in complete agreement with senator’s position. We do not need to make getting away with criminal activity easier and undermine efforts of law enforcement professionals. No gun silencers in MA. Thank you.
I guess you don’t have to be a Republican to be stupid….Democrats are so busy blaming Republicans…. They have forget their own role in defeat……and their own duty ( top priority) to protect serve the American Citizens who voted for them the rest of their constituents! Many of our most populous cities are Minoritiy Cities ( Boston-New York-Los Angeles-Detroit-Chicago-St Louis-San Francisco-Washington DC-Cleveland- etc.) where we all know…. Shootings…violent crime….lack of jobs…. high drop out rates in schools…biases…. gangs….drugs….housing problems.many children without paternal financial support so much more ……! I mention this…. because our “Country” is only as strong/weak as our Common Denominator. America has some major problems in a changing economics dangerous world…. yet our Ma/Boston legislators think voting to be a Sanctuary City/State is the answer to what end ? Illegal/ undocumented immigrants add to any all “inner city ” problems. You others don’t believe that …… but how can not ! Let’s talk about how strong successful ” legal immigration has been for 100 years ! Anyway—– Ma is supposed to be a strong Anti – Gun State….yet apparently according to daily news……teenagers have No problem getting guns Now we can have” Quiet Drive- Bye Shootings ! No question —if Silencens become legal——- Absolutely Positively shootings will increase convictions will be down ! Just think in a couple years ——- You people on Beacon Hill will vote for having sex marriage to the family dog will be legal!
If the dog is over 18 (human years) and can read and understand the marriage contract, why the hell not!
Absolutely not! I cannot see the benefit to society of silencing guns. Sincerely, Katherine Greenough, Boston
You seeing something as not having a benefit to society has nothing to do with it being legal. In a free society the burden of proof is on the legislators to prove why something should be banned, not the reverse. There are a million legal things that I see as having no benefit to society, and many of them cause far more harm than suppressors.
I am very opposed to legalizing silencers (what possible lawful purpose do silencers serve) or for weakening our gun control laws in any way. It is clear that you received these emails as part of a targeted mass mailing effort by the NRA.
Good morning, Will. I own and use firearms and am sympathetic to hunters, though disagree with those who want to suppress the sound of gunfire when hunting, as it’s important for others in the vicinity to be alerted to the presence of active hunting. over, the use of silencers on handguns poses a greater issue in situations where humans are the prey. Josh Alper
First, suppressors do not silence. There is still very audible sound, but not at dangerous levels. The term silencer is not accurate and gives the wrong impression. It is basically Hollywood fiction and fantasy. Go listen to some. I’ve been involved in Scouting in various positions including Scoutmaster for well over a decade. One thing that stood out for me was reading about the use of suppressors at Scout camps in other parts of the Country. They prevent a serious health issue for young shooters that can impact children for life. Exposure to non-suppressed firearms has very serious long-term hearing loss, even with the use of ear plugs or muffs. Suppressors are legal in most states because they provide a proven medical benefit.
Hearing gunshots allows by-standers to be alerted and take cover, which could save lives before law enforcement arrives.
I agree with Senator Brownsberger’s thought process on this issue and am opposed to legalizing silencers. While I understand that it could be helpful to hunters and other parties, that does not come close to balancing out the negative impact it would have on the ability to manage illegal activity. Supporting the suppressor legislation would make it easier for gun related crimes to go undetected, which is not good for our communities.
Dear Will, Thanks for your stand on this! The legitimate concerns of legitimate gun users (I have hunters in the family) can be met by other means. The gun lobby looks for openings and pushes. Let’s not give them another another victory. Tom Best
If your hobby is making you go deaf… it’s time to find another hobby. Don’t bend to NRA lunacy! The fact that we are even considering this measure shows the extent of the far-right’s influence.
No to silencers. This is not a 2nd amendment issue. The benefit for the very few who might “need it” is FAR OVERSHADOWED by the danger imposed by silent violence. Gracious. Don’t even get me started…
There is no sound reason to legalize silencers. Their only purpose is to hide the fact that a gun has been fired. If a person is firing a gun all people in the surrounding area need to know about it in order to protect themselves. I am definitely opposed to this legislation. Thank you for considering my opinion.
Suppressors have nothing to do with urban violence. Do you really expect your average gangbanger to submit application to BATFE, pay 200 for a tax stamp, wait 10 month for an approval(that he probably won’t receive because he has a criminal record) and then pay 800 for a suppressor? Nope. That’s what law abiding people do in free America where hearing protection isn’t prohibited. The above mentioned gangbanger would spend couple of hours and illegally manufacture one out of flashlight body and 20 worth of small parts using common household tools. Your laws mean absolutely nothing to him.
Will, Thank you for your reasoned and principled stand on this issue. I agree with your points completely, and am glad to know I can rely on my senator not to pass foolish legislation that would likely increase violent crime.
Will, I agree totally with your stand on this question. The arguments for silencers are weak in the extreme. Please vote NO on this.
The arguments AGAINST suppressors are weak and extreme. Too many sheep in this state are content to allow the government to take rights away because they see no need for them. The opposite standard should always apply – rights should only be taken away when there is good cause to do so. The statistics of 1.3 MILLION suppressors in circulation with only 44 prosecutions related to them in the last 10 years proves that a lot of stuff should be banned before suppressors are banned. If you want them to remain banned then it’s just because they hurt your feelings.
There is absolutely no evidence that the ongoing spread of suppressor legalization has had any impact on the rate of gun violence. There are 42 states that have legalized suppressors. There has been no wave of crimes with these items. The fear of suppressors is not founded in any fact.
In January 2017 the Associate Deputy Director and Chief Operating Officer of the ATF released a statement. There are over 1.3 million suppressors. Only 44 suppressor related prosecutions over the past 10 years. (The statement does not specify if the prosecutions were related to criminal shooting or just criminal possession.) See the full text. Relevant section is bottom of page 6. http://apps.washingtonpost.com/g/documents/national/read-the-white-paper-on-firearms-regulations/2325/
Will, totally agree with your instincts on this issue. I cannot see a practical reason for legalizing silencers, especially in an urban/suburban environment like your district.
I am a gun owner but not a hunter, yet. I shoot a.22LR. If one searches the net, one can “learn” how to build a personal silencer. So, the proposed law to legalize silencers is window-dressing, IMHO
The only window dressing here a legitimate argument to make mankinds most effective killing weapon to date quieter. NRA builds the arguments, spreads the info, lets 2nd amenders do the leg work. This is all about money. The gun lobby wants a new revenue stream in MA, since guns are tough to get, try to make suppressors easier.
You people understand that passing the Suppressor Bill just allows a law abiding citizen the ability to purchase a suppressor in Ma right? You still have to apply through atf, pay a large tax and wait several months for approval before you can even purchase the suppressor. Oh, and that’s on top of applying for a license to carry through your local police department, which if the licensing officer had a bad lunch that day or is a little cranky can deny you of your rights at the point making all of this irrelevent anyway.You can purchase a suppressor in 42 states, which includes Vermont, New Hampshire, Maine and Conneticut all states that share a border with Ma, and there has been zero increase of crime involving supressors in those states(or at least I could find no studies to indicate there has been), and there has been zero incidents of criminals using them in Ma. Which would make your logic of “legalizing suppressors will make it easy for criminals to get them” totally false. Instead of trying to regulate and limit what people who actually follow the laws do in this state, maybe you and your base should start to worry about what you can do to put a stop to the “urban crime” (as you put, which I wonder what you could mean by that…) But that would mean you would have to actually enforce laws on bad people doing bad things, not trying to let all these violent offenders back out into already vulnerable communities.
Makes no sense what so ever its just another excuse to infringe on the people oof mass. 2nd amendment rights that we shouldnt even have to ask permintion for or jump through hoops for.however because we are law biding citizens we will play the game. Mass. Is only 1 of 8 states that ban surpressers. Only 8 ,so that means 42 states in the union have it wrong? This is a load of crap. Tto put the excuse on the (urban gun violence )is a cop out. I am positive these politicians who dont support supressor ownership for civilian use and think they know whats best for people are not aware how easy it is to fabricate a ghost surpresser.all you need is an oil filter or a plastic soda bottle, or a battery drilled to accommodate the caliber of weapon being used ,or hell even a big enough potato will do the trick. So if these politicians think surpressors are going to escolate urban gun violence ,they ignorant to the fact that urban gun violence is escolating everyday and cant control it now. So why penalize law abiding gun owners of Massachusetts? Its time for politicians to stop being ignorant and step out of conservative dark ages.
Suppressors are to avoid getting caught perpetrating a crime. “Law abiding citizens” therefore have no legitimate reason to have a silencer. Any argument to the contrary is pathetically transparent as NRA-inspired dogma, and is simply foolish as well as dangerous.
The other states who have legalized these suppressors have had no spike in violence whats so ever. So now what?
Dolores, so now the majority of European countries who consider it ‘rude’ to NOT use a sound suppressor are all doing it to perpetrate a crime? While I can safely use hearing protection while at a firing range, I can’t while hunting. This would help protect my hearing and people in general vicinity of gun ranges and hunting areas. https://www.quora.com/In-which-European-country-allows-to-buy-a-gun-suppressor
I hate that there are so many shootings in my city. Adding silencers will do nothing to reduce the number of guns currently on the streets
If only Ma legislators would make a law making it illegal for someone without a license to carry a firearm to be in possession of a gun…oh wait there is, and criminals don’t follow the law. And you say “adding silencers” to the street, like some vendor is going to be giving them away in downtown Boston, you aren’t making sense. The suppressor bill does nothing to change how suppressors are regulated, it just says if you are a law abiding ma resident who also possesses a license to carry you can have one in this state without being charged with a felony.
Dear Will: I fully support your position! We need to stop the gun madness, please hold the line against the NRA and all its fanatic supporters. It is amazing to me how the gun lobby can twist peoples logic to somehow make it look like owning a gun has something to do with freedom and safety. Every study and every comparison with other countries shows that more guns will kill more people. It is pretty basic and common sense. When my kids were little, the gun issue made me seriously consider leaving this country again because I was afraid for the safety of my family. I am still afraid, but very thankful that we live in a state that has fairly strict laws about gun ownership. I have been in the military, I have shot guns, I actually enjoy shooting, but I know how dangerous they are and how easy it is to kill someone with one. No one should need a gun other than for going hunting or fighting a war! So yes, please: no silencers, no assault rifles, no mega magazines, no exploding bullets, mandatory safety training, waiting periods, background checks, registration requirements, tough laws against abuse of gun rights, finger print sensors, lock away requirements, … Let’s work on saving 30,000 lives every year.
-The ability of law abiding citizens to purchase a suppressor will have no affect on crime“Assault rifles” are already highly regulated and near impossible for the average person to obtain. I think you ment to say “assault weapons”, which is a made up term that describes a semi automatic rifle that looks “scary” but is no more dangerous than literally any other semi automatic rifle that you can go into any firearms store in Ma and buy right now. Rifles of any kind including the “assault weapons” you are so scared of are responsible for right around 1 percent of firearm deaths in the country, and if I’m not mistaken not 1 person has been killed with an “assault weapon” in Ma in the last 7 years. It is a fake term used by fake crusaders trying to create a solution to a problem that doesn’t existWhat is a “mega mag”…High explosive incendiary rounds are military use only, so let’s not try and write laws for a problem that doesn’t exist, you probably ment tracer rounds which just makes it so you can see where a round went, and the only added danger is you might catch some dry leaves on fire but thankfully for you, those are already illegal in Ma. – The next couple things are already a reality in Ma, safety training, background checks, “registration” etc. The only coherent thing you said and which everyone will agree on is tough laws against abuse of gun rights. Why don’t you look into how many “straw purchasers” are actually charged, convicted and sentenced to the min. jail sentence. I’ll save you time, it’s incredibly rare or wonderful judges and district attorney’s let them plead out to lesser charges usually avoiding any jail time at all. Maybe we should be concerning ourselves with enforcing laws we already have and stop trying to create laws to problems we don’t have and restricting the rights of law abiding citizens in this state because it’s been happening for too long, but what a shock…criminals are still committing crimes, with zero regard for your laws.
FYI, gun charges make up the lion’s share of people doing mandatory minimum sentences in Suffolk County now.
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